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look what time it is it's ufo happy hour

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welcome to the bar friends this is our

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very first episode of our brand new show

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ufo happy hour we've been doing ufo

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happy hour episodes for years but

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they've been periodic episodes

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on our other shows so we decided to pull

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ufo happy hour out

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and make it its own show and that's what

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we have here

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i'm thrilled to have with me today at

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the bar my dear friends

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maureen ellsberry ryan sprague and shane

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heard

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welcome friends it is fantastic to see

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you you too

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you too awesome to see you man finally

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it's been a long time finally

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finally well it shouldn't be surprising

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but the primary subject we're chatting

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about today is that little ufo report

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that saw the light of day last week

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of course we're talking about the ufo

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report from the office of the director

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of national intelligence

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the one that was requested by the senate

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select committee on intelligence last

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summer

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a classified version of this report was

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delivered to congress on friday june

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and the unclassified version was also

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released to the public on that same day

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the report officially titled preliminary

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report unidentified aerial phenomena

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is just nine concise pages but there's

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plenty of good information in this thing

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we'll talk about some specific items in

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the report but

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before we do i want to give us all an

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opportunity to share

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our individual initial reactions to

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reading this ufo report

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so ryan why don't you start uh what did

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you think buddy after

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reading this thing for the first time

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you know everyone's kind of comparing it

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to christmas like we are waiting

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it's like christmas eve waiting to open

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the present and then the present came

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and i will say you know the first time i

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read it

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it was kind of like i i keep to

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comparing it to like

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you wanted a playstation 5 and you got a

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cartridge

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to like an atari or something and the

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first time i read it

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i was like okay one was a cover page one

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was an appendix

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so really it was like seven pages of

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but initial reactions uh i felt pretty

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deflated

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and let down and i sure will get into

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you know upon reading in a second or

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you start to really find some nuggets in

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and i'll say right now at least fast

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i feel pretty damn good about it i

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thought there was some some good stuff

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um so yeah at first you know atari

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nice moving up yeah how about you

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maureen what do you think about this i

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had very very low expectations so

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um to me this is a lot of stuff we

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i mean we've been slowly reporting not

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yeah i think it's you know what we all

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to consume it as well as for political

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leaders to consume that

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a la blue book that they would come out

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pleasantly surprised it was certainly

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at all a lot of good things in here

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certainly a lot a lot missing

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an unclassified version of this report

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that doesn't mean public we know that

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um the data gatherers catch a

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very much uh wider net than was asked

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uh very big problem points with the

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it just asks for basically navy data

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and fbi data which if you really want to

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that's not really doing it it's not

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but in for this report the the navy and

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i don't know about you guys but that was

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a very pleasant surprise

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more limited to situations of like

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trained aviation pilots

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and things like that or or out there but

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i really would

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like this to include the nps too

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i mean national parks are a source of

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high strangeness

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that we know that there's a lot of

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unidentified objects

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that people spot out there and that's a

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government organization

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i would like to see data from that as

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well and a few others i'm not saying

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that that's not necessarily something

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they've considered but

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um it was notable to me missing

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interesting yeah i i i think to

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the the two that i really wanted to hear

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from that weren't in there were

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nasa and um the doe

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like we hear that a lot of these things

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are you know

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sent to the doe when it comes to nuclear

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incidents with incursions over nuclear

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installations

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so i wasn't surprised it wasn't there

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because they don't really answer to

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anyone apparently

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um but i was hoping that there would be

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some sort of

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integration with nasa which maybe we'll

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get in the future

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i don't know but i think they're they

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need to be

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briefed on these things they it's their

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job to know what's in our

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skies and what's going on on our planet

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so um

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i think yeah while i was i was surprised

327
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darpa was there i was let down

328
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that the d.o.e or nasa's are much more

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logical

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uh i was thinking too that in in the

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report

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they talked about this collection bias

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that they may have in that that

334
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and this this is one of the problems i

335
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have with this but i think they're going

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to be okay

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and that is they say hey look uh we can

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only work with the data we got and

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they're complaining on the one hand we

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don't really have the data our sensors

341
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aren't calibrated for this and

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we don't have the staff and blah blah

343
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that to me was political pitch for

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money to to create a program which is

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fine that's what they need to do

346
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but on the one hand they're complaining

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about that then they're saying

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and there's collection bias well i

349
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i'm sorry but you know you make it sound

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like

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only ufos are in military training we'll

352
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certainly talk about that more soon

353
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and i'll i'll say mufon for example yeah

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5000 we get 5000 cases a year

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in non-military settings so if you want

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some more data

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to help you know you get your footing

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maybe you can go to narcap

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you know maybe you can go to mufon or

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or whatever source but i i get while

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they're saying

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hey we're only looking at our stuff

363
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because they have the sensors and that

364
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this is their world and

365
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you know they're interjected in their

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world so yes they should handle that

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first but

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i mean on a long term basis on a

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programmatic

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scale when you're doing your analysis

371
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you need to bring in

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more data than just the things that are

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happening to you because there's a great

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big old wide world

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other nations other militaries

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you know civilian uh civilian aircraft

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all those things

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have have these encounters and and there

379
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are reports out there so you know i just

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hope that they

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set up a true uh investigative

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organization and

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and um provide real analysis based on a

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broader base of case data than just

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what's happening with them but i

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absolutely get that's what their first

387
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concern should be

388
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and is and i understand that but i just

389
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hope i completely agree and we'll we'll

390
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uh come back to that point in a minute

391
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but uh another interesting thing is

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as we already pointed out out of the 144

393
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cases they looked at

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they were all essentially still

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unidentified which is crazy they are

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only able to identify

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one out of 144 which is strange because

398
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if you're doing a real look at ufos as

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we all know

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90 to 95 of those are going to be

401
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able to be identified but in this case

402
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not so much because they're only looking

403
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at

404
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these total unknowns but in 18 out of

405
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the 144 cases examined

406
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the ufo seemed to demonstrate advanced

407
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technology

408
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about 12 and a half percent of the cases

409
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they looked at

410
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and that's probably you know the most

411
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exciting part of the report for a lot of

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people

413
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because of course we're talking about

414
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ufos we want the ones that seem exotic

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or more exciting or hard to explain

416
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so 18 out of 144 cases seem to

417
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demonstrate advanced technology that's

418
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kind of cool

419
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yeah i think too the um the aircraft

420
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systems

421
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in a small number they said were uh

422
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military aircraft systems processed

423
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radio frequency energy

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associated with the uap sightings that i

425
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that that like

426
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when i first read it i kind of like went

427
00:15:08,150 --> 00:15:06,720
just didn't understand it and then when

428
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i went back and actually like thought

429
00:15:12,069 --> 00:15:09,440
about that i'm like huh

430
00:15:14,069 --> 00:15:12,079
that's an interesting observation for

431
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them to make and to put in the

432
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the public report i thought that was

433
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pretty fascinating when it came to

434
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you know catching these things on

435
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multiple sensors too so we know they're

436
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physical objects

437
00:15:26,389 --> 00:15:23,880
this wasn't just like a

438
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misidentification or like

439
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you know a problem with a camera these

440
00:15:31,110 --> 00:15:29,440
were physical objects

441
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and that some of them process radio

442
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frequencies um

443
00:15:35,749 --> 00:15:34,160
you know when dealing with that so i

444
00:15:37,590 --> 00:15:35,759
thought that was pretty cool wasn't

445
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expecting that

446
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but at the same time it made me

447
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immediately think of drones

448
00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:44,399
yeah that's that's a good point too yeah

449
00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:46,160
there's very cool technology out there

450
00:15:48,629 --> 00:15:47,440
but yeah i agree ryan that was one of

451
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the cool points is

452
00:15:51,670 --> 00:15:50,639
is mentioning that they detected rf

453
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frequencies

454
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from some of these hard to explain

455
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incidents

456
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i think one of the things that people

457
00:16:04,629 --> 00:16:01,519
will probably criticize is that

458
00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:04,639
any explanation of you know exotic

459
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:05,120
current

460
00:16:11,189 --> 00:16:08,399
technology explaining these things fall

461
00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:11,199
short when you really look at the fact

462
00:16:15,110 --> 00:16:12,320
that these things

463
00:16:15,910 --> 00:16:15,120
have been happening since 1947 sure

464
00:16:19,749 --> 00:16:15,920
right

465
00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:19,759
so you know that's not going to be

466
00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:22,880
a panacea explanation for this

467
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:26,079
um there and and i think we've seen

468
00:16:32,230 --> 00:16:29,279
like chris mellon and and um lou

469
00:16:33,030 --> 00:16:32,240
make comments to that that effect that

470
00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:33,040
um

471
00:16:39,030 --> 00:16:36,800
you know this technology is not like

472
00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:39,040
just around the corner for mankind

473
00:16:43,189 --> 00:16:40,399
technology or

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00:16:44,470 --> 00:16:43,199
in development that the capabilities

475
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these are demonstrating

476
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are hundreds or thousands of years ahead

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00:16:50,629 --> 00:16:48,399
um

478
00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:50,639
and that's been the case from the 40s

479
00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:52,639
and probably way before

480
00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:55,600
we just don't have that documented so i

481
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i

482
00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:12,799
all

483
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and of course with any case with any of

484
00:17:18,150 --> 00:17:16,000
this you know

485
00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:18,160
our discussions are are based on

486
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extremely limited

487
00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:21,199
information even the data we have is

488
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limited yes and

489
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:24,880
you know with some of these cases where

490
00:17:29,110 --> 00:17:26,799
grand claims are made

491
00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:29,120
though those grand claims are based off

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of

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you know systems that you know

494
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while doesn't happen often they are

495
00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:36,799
fallible right these

496
00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:38,960
statements about oh it went from you

497
00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:41,120
know the the surface of the ocean up to

498
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60 000 feet in a second

499
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i mean instrumentation is telling them

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that you know

501
00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:48,480
it's not something that again and we

502
00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:50,320
haven't seen that data we haven't been

503
00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:52,559
provided with that data to prove that

504
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:55,679
um but you know people

505
00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:58,000
need to understand that's also based on

506
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on sensors and systems digital

507
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systems relaying that that information

508
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to us

509
00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:04,799
you bring up a great point shane though

510
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and i agree with you that

511
00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:09,280
it's hard to explain it away when these

512
00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:11,360
same types of behaviors

513
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from ufos have been documented and

514
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relayed

515
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for decades and decades and decades and

516
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decades

517
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hard to brush it off yep hard to brush

518
00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:21,440
it off

519
00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:24,559
well another thing that i found

520
00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:26,720
quite surprising to see in this report

521
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:28,160
because it doesn't get brought up

522
00:18:31,590 --> 00:18:30,559
enough especially in these circles where

523
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they're pushing

524
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national security and and and the threat

525
00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:35,360
narrative

526
00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:37,600
we're looking at potential threats in

527
00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:38,720
this report

528
00:18:43,270 --> 00:18:41,840
it actually separates flight safety from

529
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:43,280
national security

530
00:18:47,110 --> 00:18:46,160
noting that ufos do threaten flight

531
00:18:49,510 --> 00:18:47,120
safety

532
00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:49,520
i loved seeing that that was one of my

533
00:18:52,150 --> 00:18:50,480
favorite parts

534
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:52,160
because we don't hear enough about that

535
00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:54,240
yes it's great to talk about this

536
00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:55,120
nebulous

537
00:18:58,549 --> 00:18:57,919
national security thing but flight

538
00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:58,559
safety

539
00:19:02,789 --> 00:19:01,120
that's one of the biggest things because

540
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:02,799
both military and commercial

541
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:05,039
and private pilots encounter ufos in the

542
00:19:09,430 --> 00:19:06,480
sky all the time they're near

543
00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:09,440
near misses all the time that's a big

544
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:11,200
deal when it comes to ufos

545
00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:12,720
and that has always been one of the

546
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:14,480
biggest head scratchers for me

547
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:16,799
why the faa doesn't give a [\h__\h] about

548
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:19,200
ufos

549
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:21,919
yeah they they even mention 11 near

550
00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:22,880
misses

551
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:25,440
which is pretty that's a lot for the

552
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:27,679
hundred and forty four or whatever they

553
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:29,919
they looked at that's a large fighter

554
00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:31,679
pilots right i mean think about how many

555
00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:33,200
other planes are in the sky

556
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:35,200
yeah yeah and we don't know i i mean

557
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:36,799
maybe i'm wrong but

558
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:38,799
these were all military cases right so

559
00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:40,480
those were just the near misses

560
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:43,679
with military aircraft imagine you know

561
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:46,559
what that case that the four of us

562
00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:48,240
talked about on a previous episode of

563
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:49,440
unknown was

564
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:52,160
the one where the guy said the disc went

565
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:53,840
right past him and

566
00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:56,720
right you know so like again i think the

567
00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:57,760
big thing

568
00:20:01,029 --> 00:20:00,640
and um i'm sure we'll get to it is that

569
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:01,039
uh

570
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:04,080
it's making it more possible for

571
00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:07,120
people to report these things um faa

572
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:09,520
wise and hopefully military-wise too

573
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:11,440
is the the whole stigma and ridicule

574
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:13,360
thing they mentioned a couple times in

575
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the report

576
00:20:17,909 --> 00:20:16,320
right i think was pretty awesome too

577
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:17,919
like it's okay to do this

578
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:19,679
how many military people come to the

579
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:22,159
four of us 10 years after the event

580
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:23,520
she's like oh yeah i didn't want to

581
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:24,960
report it then but i'll tell you about

582
00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:25,840
it now i'm like

583
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,200
cool what are we going to do with that

584
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:29,520
data so i think that was pretty cool

585
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:30,480
that it's like

586
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:33,600
yeah please report it please yep no and

587
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:35,200
that's kind of the kind of stuff that

588
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:37,200
really ufologists have just been asking

589
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:38,720
for for the whole time

590
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:42,400
is to um you know be open and

591
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:43,600
transparent with this

592
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:46,080
take take it serious and you know the

593
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:48,080
fact that they're doing that now is

594
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:50,720
really satisfying and i mean we're not

595
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:53,120
asking for much more than that really

596
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:54,559
you think about it is just take it

597
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:56,159
serious do your job

598
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:58,080
you know and let us know because this

599
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,200
affects everybody

600
00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:01,280
like you said just commercial air

601
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:02,320
traffic i mean

602
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:04,880
my gosh that how many planes are in the

603
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:07,039
air at any given time thousands right

604
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:10,640
so i mean that that's super serious so i

605
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:13,840
i am pleased the way this is headed

606
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:16,559
unless they do some kind of turnaround

607
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,880
but

608
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,799
yeah we're not predicting the future or

609
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,240
looking ahead to the many

610
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,799
problematic things that are sure to come

611
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:24,559
just looking at this report alone i

612
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,720
agree with you shane i do

613
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,400
so another thing we learned in this

614
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:30,240
report just kind of dropped in there

615
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:31,039
subtly

616
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:34,320
is that the uap task force

617
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:38,159
has long-term goals right so

618
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:39,120
they dropped that they had this

619
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:41,200
long-term goal to widen the scope of its

620
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:43,039
work to include additional uap

621
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,559
events documented by a broader swath

622
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:48,159
that's that's good right we just talked

623
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:50,080
about that we need to get broader and

624
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:51,760
stop looking at this from such a narrow

625
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:52,960
lens

626
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:55,760
but a broader swath of usg personnel and

627
00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:58,400
technical systems in its analysis so

628
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:01,919
still keeping the focus on military

629
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,080
but anyway they've got long-term goals

630
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,640
i i partially understand why and this

631
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:10,400
goes back to what shane was saying

632
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:13,679
earlier they did not include other

633
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:14,720
organizations

634
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:18,080
publicly at this stage at this juncture

635
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:21,039
you can tell that they were very very

636
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:22,720
very careful with how they wrote this

637
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:23,679
report

638
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,640
and i think bringing in agencies which

639
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:28,640
notoriously

640
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,480
are searching for the truth of

641
00:22:36,350 --> 00:22:32,880
extraterrestrial life instead of

642
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,360
just the broad scope of identifying

643
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,360
unidentified objects um was

644
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:41,440
was very calculated and they know what

645
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:42,400
they were doing here

646
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,000
and they mention um that the fact that

647
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:48,240
that a lot of these trains are pilots

648
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:50,080
and and military officials

649
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:54,400
are not reporting on uh uaps because of

650
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,440
the stigma

651
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:57,760
so i think this this was kind of like

652
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:00,240
let's lay it out so people know

653
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:02,799
we're not necessarily talking about the

654
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:03,919
the more

655
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:07,120
uh out there topics to start

656
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:10,400
work that's our catch-all bin um

657
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,440
but this that these could be all these

658
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:14,880
other different things and

659
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:17,120
stressing the importance of reporting

660
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:18,880
and i think that that's a basic

661
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:23,039
first step obviously in my mind and all

662
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:23,360
of

663
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,039
you we know how many other credible

664
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:27,120
sightings there are by civilians

665
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,840
and you know like you said just regular

666
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:31,200
commercial pilots and

667
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:35,440
and uh everywhere else across the board

668
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:36,000
and i

669
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:39,120
think it would be behoove them to

670
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:41,279
include a lot of those historic reports

671
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:43,279
in their machine learning figures

672
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:46,159
and and go from there but maybe it's you

673
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:47,120
know

674
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:50,000
they need to have a separate sort of

675
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:51,760
bank of information that

676
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:55,279
they they know can be potentially

677
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:58,480
unclassified compared to what's going to

678
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:00,159
happen within

679
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:03,279
these reports where we will lack

680
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:06,400
uh you know that we're not going to be

681
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,080
privy to see all this information so

682
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,080
i i get it and yeah you think about all

683
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:14,240
those past military sightings even if

684
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:15,679
you look at like

685
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:18,320
robert salas and and other individuals

686
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:20,960
who have reported

687
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,320
uh you know lights over nuclear

688
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:27,120
uh weapons over bases and all these

689
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,559
things are they going to add those

690
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:31,200
historic reports into their

691
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:34,240
official reports or not uh i i think

692
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:34,880
that there's

693
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,080
a few ways they can go and unfortunately

694
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:40,880
we will likely be in the dark on it and

695
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:42,640
that's why it's great that civilian

696
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:43,760
groups like

697
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:46,880
mufon in other areas exist

698
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:51,200
so uh i get the bigger picture

699
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:54,320
but i don't think we're there yet yeah

700
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,279
i'm with you

701
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:57,679
so we we hit a few few of the highlights

702
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,880
and there are some more but

703
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:01,200
i want to move on to a couple of the

704
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:02,000
other

705
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:04,000
parts of the report that uh you know

706
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,360
there were a few uh

707
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:07,679
kind of no-brainer comments added to

708
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:08,799
this report that

709
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:11,279
at first made me roll my eyes pretty

710
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,840
hard

711
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,360
but then after i thought about them i

712
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:15,440
was happy to see that they included it

713
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,480
um one of those was um

714
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:20,159
you mentioned before but the limited

715
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,840
amount of high quality reporting on

716
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,520
unidentified aerial phenomena

717
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:25,360
hampers our ability to draw firm

718
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:27,279
conclusions about the nature or intent

719
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:29,279
of uap

720
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,559
really welcome to ufos right i mean that

721
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:34,480
is ufo research in a nutshell right

722
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:34,880
there

723
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:37,520
like you don't you're not going to have

724
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:38,880
the data you want you're not going to

725
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:40,480
have high quality data

726
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,159
and you're not going to be able to draw

727
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:44,400
firm conclusions about nature or intent

728
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:47,840
of most your ufos so so that was kind of

729
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:48,320
funny

730
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:51,039
um yeah another one in a limited number

731
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:51,760
of incidents

732
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,400
uap reportedly appeared to exhibit

733
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:56,720
unusual flight characteristics

734
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,960
these observations could be the result

735
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:00,400
of sensor errors

736
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:03,760
spoofing or observer misinterpretations

737
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:07,279
and require additional rigorous analysis

738
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:10,320
again really of course of course you're

739
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:11,360
going to get that

740
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:14,720
in ufo sightings um the third one i

741
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,279
pointed out

742
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,520
uap sightings also tended to cluster

743
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,679
around u.s training and testing grounds

744
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,520
but we assess that this may result from

745
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:23,679
a collection bias as a result of focused

746
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:24,480
attention

747
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:26,240
greater numbers of latest generation

748
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:28,480
sensors operating in those areas

749
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,679
unit expectations and guidance to report

750
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,720
anomalies

751
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,720
and again you brought this up shane but

752
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:36,400
of course of course

753
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,000
that's what they found in this case

754
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,240
because we also have to keep in mind

755
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,880
the exact report request the report

756
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:44,720
request was very narrow

757
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,720
very specific and that's what it wanted

758
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:51,039
looked into here was the incursions of

759
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,240
training ranges

760
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:55,200
and of course that was the focus of of

761
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:57,760
this report of the data gathered

762
00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:00,320
naturally that's what it's going to seem

763
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:01,600
like there are

764
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:04,400
sightings clustered around here but for

765
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:05,600
anybody who wants to

766
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:08,320
wants to look at uh you know a broader

767
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,679
set of data

768
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:12,240
cheryl costa man you really gotta gotta

769
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:13,200
check out

770
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:16,240
what cheryl costa does she and and her

771
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,120
wife linda

772
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,679
do amazing work they're they're doing

773
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:21,840
even more work with their new book

774
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,080
if you like statistics and data

775
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,919
associated with ufos you're not going to

776
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:27,360
find a better source

777
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:30,399
than than the work that they do so

778
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:32,799
um you know they would be a great uh

779
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:34,000
resource for the government

780
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,880
to to tap if they get down to looking at

781
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:38,880
the broader picture

782
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:41,679
but another just one more eye roll point

783
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:42,640
i'll point out

784
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:45,120
is that when they said if and when

785
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,240
individual uap

786
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:48,080
incidents are resolved they will fall

787
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,840
into one of five potential explanatory

788
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:51,679
categories airborne clutter natural

789
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:52,799
atmospheric phenomena

790
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:55,279
usg or industrial development programs

791
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,799
foreign adversary systems

792
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:58,960
and catch all other bin like we already

793
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,159
mentioned

794
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:02,480
these the government really seems and

795
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,600
you know this shane about

796
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,520
working with government but it seems

797
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,440
like especially with ufos because we

798
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,200
we heard from lou elizondo the five

799
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:11,279
observables and now we've got our five

800
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,240
bins here

801
00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:13,919
they like to have this number of

802
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,159
cataract cataractization

803
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:18,720
that they can put things into when it's

804
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:20,399
kind of unnecessary i mean

805
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:23,360
ufos are all over the place and i mean

806
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:24,080
you could really

807
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,840
just say solved unsolved but

808
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:29,279
i think we would all like to have a peek

809
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,120
at that other bin when they actually get

810
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:33,120
to putting things in those bins

811
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:34,720
but as we see from the report it doesn't

812
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,840
seem like they've been able to put

813
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:37,520
anything but one thing in a bin well and

814
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:38,720
the other thing too

815
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:41,120
a balloon one one balloon chain

816
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:42,720
apparently a balloon um

817
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:45,039
the other thing too jason is that idea

818
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,080
of like

819
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:48,640
how they want to set up how they collect

820
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:49,760
the data now

821
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:52,960
the whole ai thing um is awesome

822
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,880
and it's kind of this that sounds like

823
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,320
this whole report

824
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,799
was like a sales pitch it'd be like we

825
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:00,880
don't have the technology

826
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,840
to properly study this we need an ai

827
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:05,679
system to do this that's gonna

828
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:07,120
figure out that's a bird that's a

829
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:08,720
satellite that's a missile

830
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:11,200
and and he's knocking on the doors and

831
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:12,880
says hey

832
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:15,600
we already have that so like work with

833
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:16,559
the public

834
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:19,200
you know and i have heard rumblings that

835
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,520
this task force might be

836
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:24,000
uh consulting with skyhub which is

837
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,520
extremely exciting

838
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:27,760
so the ball's in their court with sky

839
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:29,440
hub because all of their data was

840
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:31,120
working on that stuff too right

841
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,559
right them too working on ai with their

842
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:36,880
atom project i think or is it the scout

843
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:38,000
the scout app yeah

844
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,919
oh okay okay yeah so it's out there

845
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:41,600
already so

846
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,320
but the problem being you know um

847
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,399
skyhub's big thing is transparency the

848
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:48,000
data is for the public

849
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:50,320
it's in the cloud so you have to wonder

850
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:51,600
like are they going to use their

851
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:52,320
software

852
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,480
but still keep it hidden and classified

853
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:56,399
so i think uh skyhub is going to have

854
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,000
some ethical questions

855
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,559
on their minds coming soon i don't know

856
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:02,240
i think it would have to be classified

857
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:03,360
because it would have to

858
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,880
the thing's going to pick up classified

859
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,880
projects exactly

860
00:30:10,630 --> 00:30:09,120
exactly even though apparently that's

861
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:10,640
not what any of these are

862
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,559
according to the us government which i

863
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,559
don't believe for a second but that's

864
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:16,480
that's a whole other debate it's it's

865
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,919
very interesting though because i think

866
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:19,760
the technology

867
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,399
it's it is out there and and you know i

868
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,720
work at a programming company and i was

869
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:25,760
at a conference

870
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:28,480
years ago and i walk around the corner

871
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:28,799
and

872
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,640
talking about how they were using

873
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:34,480
machine learning to pull

874
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:37,840
from all these different sources of

875
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:40,480
um you know publix computers and all

876
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:43,039
this stuff to put together

877
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,159
information on a mass scale

878
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,480
engineers can do it it's out there and

879
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,000
and i think that you know

880
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:52,320
if they had a if they want to come

881
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:53,919
knocking on our door i'll give them a

882
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:54,480
government

883
00:31:01,269 --> 00:30:59,600
build some sort of crazy machine

884
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:01,279
learning system for them

885
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:03,519
i mean those were just saying it's the

886
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,559
research is there

887
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,320
clearly it's the funding the money

888
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:07,919
that's not there

889
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:11,360
um and that yes you're right it was

890
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:14,799
a total sales pitch of okay yes

891
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,559
unidentified we need to figure out how

892
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:18,159
to make this work if you want us to

893
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:19,279
exist

894
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:22,640
we need money give us money

895
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,919
totally well i do have to bring this up

896
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:27,760
because although there were things in

897
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:29,679
the report that made me roll my eyes but

898
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:31,120
later i appreciated the fact that they

899
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:32,000
are they're actually in

900
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:34,880
there there's one thing that that just

901
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:35,360
got a

902
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:39,039
statement

903
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:42,480
that said there are probably multiple

904
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:43,600
types of uap

905
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,840
requiring different explanations

906
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:49,760
really only probably you think you just

907
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:51,760
figured that out after your study

908
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,080
give me a break of course of course

909
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:57,200
there are different types of ufos

910
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:01,200
yeah no there's only one only one type

911
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:03,919
one solution yeah yeah now that that's

912
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:05,919
the problem with grouping everything's

913
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,320
all these strange ufos into one giant

914
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:10,080
pile when other bin

915
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,679
you know they're not all the same

916
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:13,360
they're pretty much all different

917
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:16,320
so again problem with the ufos they're

918
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:22,710
like snowflakes ryan i like that that's

919
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,880
beautiful thank you i made that up

920
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:26,880
myself it's never been said before

921
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:32,310
i feel like you know if jeremy corbell

922
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:33,760
were here he would have a more

923
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:36,320
eloquent way of saying that like a like

924
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:37,440
a

925
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:47,840
you

926
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:50,960
he has a way with words man all right

927
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:54,159
so the biggest question i have

928
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,120
after reading this report is when they

929
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:59,440
were talking about

930
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:01,039
that one balloon they were able to

931
00:33:03,870 --> 00:33:02,559
identify

932
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:03,880
do you think they were talking about the

933
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:10,870
batman balloon it has to be i thought it

934
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,440
was that man oh really see i thought it

935
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,440
was the omaha video

936
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,360
i was going with the omaha video because

937
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:19,600
that one like pretty much everyone was

938
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:20,240
like that's a

939
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:21,840
it's a balloon at least mcquest

940
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,159
interesting so i thought it was actually

941
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:25,760
the omaha video

942
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:29,039
interesting but yeah it it's

943
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:31,039
yeah actually now that you say it i'm

944
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:32,720
leaning more towards the batman balloon

945
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:33,360
but um

946
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:35,039
i just automatically consumed it with

947
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:36,480
the deflating batman

948
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,840
balloon yeah but they said didn't they

949
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:41,840
say in the report that it was a very

950
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:42,399
large

951
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:45,840
deflating balloon like right i thought

952
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:46,960
more like a

953
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:50,559
um like a macy's no no like a leather

954
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,760
balloon

955
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:53,760
yeah i mean you know that's a hundred

956
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,600
feet tall and you know it

957
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:58,080
flattens and looks strange and stuff but

958
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:59,279
i don't know that's an assumption

959
00:34:02,549 --> 00:33:59,840
largest

960
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:02,559
objective for sure yeah it is yeah and

961
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,880
as

962
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,720
is everything with this report i mean

963
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:06,399
we're sitting here chatting about stuff

964
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:07,120
that

965
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:09,760
you know we know nothing about oh no

966
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,240
exactly

967
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,240
it's all speculation and the show is

968
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:13,919
always in the details you know think of

969
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,240
this

970
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:15,919
think of think of a just a normal

971
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,079
balloon just a regular balloon

972
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,879
and then think about the batman balloon

973
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:22,159
like in relation

974
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:25,520
is a large bloom yeah yeah yeah

975
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:28,240
i mean can't they so now that they've

976
00:34:31,349 --> 00:34:29,359
identified it and

977
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:31,359
it's a balloon it seems like they should

978
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:33,040
be able to give us more information

979
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,480
yes you should right balloon spotted by

980
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,720
this person this is how we came to the

981
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,320
conclusion that it was a deflating

982
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:42,399
balloon

983
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:45,119
based on all these different uh

984
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:46,320
assessments

985
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:48,960
that the public did probably they pulled

986
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:49,440
a lot of

987
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:51,520
info from from what of course the public

988
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:52,639
was doing

989
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:56,480
uh but yeah i i didn't even think about

990
00:35:01,910 --> 00:34:59,760
other cases i didn't either but

991
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,920
i agree with you and and you know i i

992
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,440
hope they do that down the road when

993
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:05,359
they figure out how to actually identify

994
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:06,560
ufos

995
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:09,359
because that is tremendously valuable

996
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:10,320
for the public

997
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,800
it really is when they can say look this

998
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,320
thing looks bizarre

999
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,480
um you know even for our fighter pilots

1000
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:18,000
they saw this thing in the sky and

1001
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:19,200
they've never seen anything like this

1002
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,960
before because you would see a random

1003
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,040
balloon in the sky it's gonna look weird

1004
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,040
but here's what it looks like just so

1005
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,520
you know that is a balloon

1006
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,520
so there you go you can take this and

1007
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,359
and use that knowledge as you're going

1008
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,960
forward and it will help you identify

1009
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:34,320
things in the future

1010
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:35,599
i don't think we're going to get that

1011
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,720
because it doesn't seem like they've

1012
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:38,320
even gotten down to the part of

1013
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:41,200
of identifying things so we'll see but

1014
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,000
there is hope

1015
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,560
i think with this report um and with

1016
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,560
other stuff that's come

1017
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,560
after the report was released and that

1018
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,000
is it looks like

1019
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:52,240
it looks like the plan is to actually

1020
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:53,200
establish a

1021
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:56,560
true ufo program right because

1022
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,760
on june 25th the same day that the dni

1023
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,440
ufo report was published

1024
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,359
deputy secretary of defense kathleen

1025
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:05,040
hicks issued a memo

1026
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,720
directing the office of the under

1027
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:08,480
secretary of defense for intelligence

1028
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:08,880
and

1029
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:11,599
security to quote develop a plan to

1030
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:13,280
formalize the mission currently

1031
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:14,560
performed by the uh

1032
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,599
uaptf the plan should number one

1033
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,440
establish procedures to synchronize

1034
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:21,440
collection reporting and analysis on the

1035
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,560
uap problem set

1036
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:24,000
and to establish recommendations for

1037
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,680
securing military tests and training

1038
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:27,359
ranges

1039
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:30,320
number two identify requirements for the

1040
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:31,680
establishment

1041
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:34,960
and operation of the new activity

1042
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:38,000
to include the organize organizational

1043
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,680
alignment resources and staffing

1044
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:42,079
required as well as any necessary

1045
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:43,760
authorities and a timeline for

1046
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:45,119
implementation

1047
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:46,560
number three be developed in

1048
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:48,400
coordination with the principal staff

1049
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:49,119
assistants

1050
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:50,400
the chairman of the joint chiefs of

1051
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:52,240
staff the secretary of the military

1052
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:53,200
departments

1053
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,960
and the command commanders of the

1054
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:56,400
combatant commands

1055
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,960
and with the dna dni and other relevant

1056
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:00,640
interagency partners

1057
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:02,000
all members of the department will

1058
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:04,240
utilize these processes to ensure

1059
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:08,720
that the uaptf or its follow-on activity

1060
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,960
as reports of uap observations within

1061
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:12,960
two weeks of an occurrence

1062
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,599
so that paired with what we saw in the

1063
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:17,280
report at the end of the report talking

1064
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,400
about funding and

1065
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:20,720
and you know funding for a uh ufo

1066
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:21,520
program

1067
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:24,160
it looks like that is the goal here to

1068
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:25,119
establish

1069
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,640
a new government ufo program

1070
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,160
absolutely and you can't tell me this

1071
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:32,560
wasn't planned i mean it wouldn't have

1072
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:34,160
this this wasn't an impulsive

1073
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,560
reactionary thing on the part of the dod

1074
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,320
clearly the report was meant to be like

1075
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:40,320
we left the resources the time to do

1076
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:40,960
this

1077
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:43,920
um so here you go dod you deal with it

1078
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,320
now

1079
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,560
so hey i think that's awesome though

1080
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:48,000
again um

1081
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:49,440
like they're moving the ball forward

1082
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:50,960
we're gonna get a permanent program

1083
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,760
hopefully

1084
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:54,079
um but again the real question is will

1085
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:55,040
we will we

1086
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:57,280
see anything from it probably not unless

1087
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:58,079
it's leaked

1088
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:01,200
which you know we've heard people saying

1089
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,960
you know the classified report it'll

1090
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:04,640
probably some of it will get out even

1091
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,520
rubio

1092
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:07,760
said at one point that you know things

1093
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:08,720
don't stay

1094
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,880
classified anymore not in today's world

1095
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,320
with the internet and

1096
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,560
you know everything like that so maybe

1097
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:16,000
we'll see some of it but yeah

1098
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:18,400
i thought this dod memo was so much

1099
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:19,839
better than the entire report

1100
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:22,960
in my personal opinion oh absolutely

1101
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:25,440
but again the problem and what what

1102
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:26,480
doesn't get me

1103
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:29,359
or it gives me pause is that it

1104
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:31,040
specifically mentions

1105
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:34,480
formalizing the mission of the uaptf

1106
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,079
which again is focused solely on

1107
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,839
military training ranges military

1108
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,000
airspace it's not

1109
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:44,320
looking at the whole picture it's not

1110
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:45,359
concerned

1111
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:48,000
with civilian sightings which make up

1112
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:51,520
the large majority of ufo sightings ufos

1113
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,079
are seen

1114
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,720
every day all around the world why are

1115
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,560
we just looking at military training

1116
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:58,320
ranges it's kind of silly

1117
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,280
but you know hey if the government wants

1118
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,960
their own program to just look at

1119
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,160
military stuff

1120
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:06,000
that's great it's surprising they don't

1121
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:07,280
already have that you would think they

1122
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:08,800
do and i think the branches probably

1123
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,920
already take care of their own thing

1124
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:11,440
they're just not sharing data

1125
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:13,040
but that should be a thing that the

1126
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:14,560
government has

1127
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,599
however i think the government or

1128
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,440
some other entity and i don't know what

1129
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,880
that would be i mean i would like it to

1130
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,560
be on an academic level but

1131
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:24,000
it should you know i think it would run

1132
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:25,359
smoother if it were operated by the

1133
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:26,240
government

1134
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:30,079
some true genuine ufo program

1135
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:32,000
to take over the role really of the

1136
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,760
national ufo reporting center

1137
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,680
which sounds like it's a government

1138
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:37,440
thing but it's not it's one guy living

1139
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:38,720
in a missile silo

1140
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:42,160
doing this thankless task of fielding

1141
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:43,520
ufo reports

1142
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,320
from people all around the world i mean

1143
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:48,000
peter davenport does a great job but i

1144
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,480
think

1145
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:50,400
you know the government needs something

1146
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:51,520
like that

1147
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,440
kind of a central hub for reporting an

1148
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,200
investigation

1149
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:57,200
yeah that's a no-brainer one of the

1150
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:58,480
other things too that

1151
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:01,200
looking at it i mean um that whole

1152
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,280
executive summary and that whole report

1153
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:05,280
really to me read just like

1154
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:08,480
uh an sow or a statement of work

1155
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,319
so like whenever you create you know a

1156
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:12,160
new program in government or you want to

1157
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:14,000
hire a contractor you want to implement

1158
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:15,440
a solution a

1159
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,440
maybe a software solution whatever i

1160
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:18,960
mean that's what it was written like

1161
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:21,920
it really was a public pitch for a

1162
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:23,599
program to create a program

1163
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:26,319
which is awesome that is exactly what i

1164
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,359
wanted to see

1165
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:29,440
you know and so from that perspective i

1166
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,480
really appreciate it

1167
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,560
but i do think they miss an opportunity

1168
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:34,960
here um

1169
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:37,280
the fact that they didn't include any

1170
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:38,160
specific

1171
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,800
case data i i was thinking what they

1172
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:42,400
could have done is they could have maybe

1173
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:44,560
elaborated let's say on the nimitz case

1174
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,119
right it's

1175
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:47,599
2000 fords no doubt one of the cases

1176
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:48,800
they were talking about

1177
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,720
it's been out in the public so they

1178
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:52,800
could have expanded on that referred to

1179
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:53,839
that they could have

1180
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,640
um they could have included maybe some

1181
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:58,560
information that we haven't had

1182
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:01,680
you know it's already declassified it

1183
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:02,240
wouldn't

1184
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:05,280
security blah blah blah

1185
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:06,960
and what they could have done is kind of

1186
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:09,280
created a model or a template

1187
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:11,119
of how they're going to report data out

1188
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:12,960
to the public when they do

1189
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,440
do an investigation and make a report

1190
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,640
and they could have

1191
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,240
felt us out they could have felt the

1192
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:19,920
public out they could have felt congress

1193
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:20,800
out by

1194
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:23,839
by you know including that in the report

1195
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:24,240
to

1196
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,960
that they will they will generate you

1197
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,960
know what's the end product what's the

1198
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,880
what's the deliverable whenever you have

1199
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:34,240
a program or something you've got to

1200
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,520
have a deliverable

1201
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,960
and i think they missed kind of an

1202
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:38,640
opportunity there to set us

1203
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,520
up a little bit for you know create an

1204
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,960
expectation but

1205
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,720
you know that's probably not the purpose

1206
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,400
of what that was about

1207
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,119
i understand the bill was narrow what

1208
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,880
they asked for but they included some

1209
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:53,040
things outside of it a little bit so

1210
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:54,720
i don't know i i was just really

1211
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:56,079
disappointed that there was

1212
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,400
zero case data i mean they referred to

1213
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:00,800
144 cases 18 this

1214
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:04,160
21 that blah blah blah fine but

1215
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,760
i didn't find that helpful and i

1216
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:07,520
especially didn't like the stupid

1217
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:08,640
balloon reference

1218
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:12,000
i did the 144 cases and i'm sure there

1219
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,760
were more cases where they resolved them

1220
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:15,680
you had to pick a freaking balloon

1221
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:17,680
i mean that's irritating to me that's

1222
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,400
like project blue book that's like

1223
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:23,280
you know disinformation missing from me

1224
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,599
it's

1225
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,160
smacks of that so i don't know if they

1226
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:28,160
just don't get it culturally like in the

1227
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,440
ufo community

1228
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,960
which i know they're not writing it for

1229
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:32,800
us specifically but you know

1230
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:35,119
have some situational awareness uh

1231
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,000
government

1232
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:38,720
and you know pick something else but you

1233
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:39,119
know

1234
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:40,800
the whole i mean like you started the

1235
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:43,200
program with swamp gas i mean

1236
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,720
if they had come out with that right

1237
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,240
people would have wailed and i think

1238
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:48,640
balloon is on the same level so

1239
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,240
i was a little disappointed because they

1240
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,240
had a a case they could have talked

1241
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:54,319
about that was really incredible

1242
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:56,000
and it's already in the public sector

1243
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,520
and they could have set a model or

1244
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:59,040
expectation and they didn't

1245
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,640
i think that's a great point and and

1246
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:02,400
that would have been cool to see but i'm

1247
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,359
gonna

1248
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,599
just off the top of my head guess that

1249
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:07,280
even though it's a declassified

1250
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,240
situation

1251
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:10,480
there would have been a lot more red

1252
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:11,599
tape to cross

1253
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,560
and it probably would have uh delayed

1254
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:16,800
the report to the public by

1255
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,240
uh months potentially just knowing that

1256
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:24,240
to be honest yeah i'm sorry to interrupt

1257
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:25,440
more but like

1258
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,760
i feel like i wasn't expecting anything

1259
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,839
that day to be honest until i heard like

1260
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,119
the rumblings but

1261
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:33,119
i would have rather waited another six

1262
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:34,160
months and got

1263
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:37,280
some case data to look at which elizondo

1264
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,160
was kind of

1265
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:40,000
alluding to he's like it's gonna get

1266
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:41,440
delayed um

1267
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:43,839
and hopefully that's that's a good thing

1268
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,720
like that's for

1269
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:46,640
the better but it didn't and this is

1270
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:49,440
what we got so sorry to interrupt i just

1271
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:52,720
i yeah

1272
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:56,000
well something that you know people

1273
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,359
i know a lot of people were disappointed

1274
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:59,040
with the report like i said i i was

1275
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:00,400
pleasantly surprised

1276
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:04,640
but i i really hope people keep in mind

1277
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:08,240
what the uap task force is

1278
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,680
again there's a lot of this is

1279
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,280
speculation because we don't know much

1280
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:13,599
about the uap task force i mean we

1281
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:16,400
know now who the director of that is at

1282
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:17,839
least you know until that person is

1283
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:18,800
replaced

1284
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:22,480
but understand that

1285
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,160
again a task force is a temporary thing

1286
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:28,560
it's established for a specific purpose

1287
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:30,079
this isn't something where they went out

1288
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:31,440
and hired people

1289
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,720
to put them in here and do this thorough

1290
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:36,720
awesome job and that was the only job

1291
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:37,920
they had

1292
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:40,480
it's like if you work in at any business

1293
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,119
and they're all

1294
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,119
well we need a committee to plan a party

1295
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,280
or we need to need a committee to plan a

1296
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,440
conference we're doing

1297
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,359
it's people you already have on your

1298
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,880
existing staff

1299
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:52,640
and they still are responsible for

1300
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:53,920
performing their job that they were

1301
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,359
hired to do

1302
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,920
plus this extra committee work that they

1303
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,280
signed up to do

1304
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,520
that's what we have here we have people

1305
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:03,440
who have a job that they have to do

1306
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:04,960
but they're also taking on additional

1307
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:07,520
responsibilities they're people who are

1308
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:10,640
performing i imagine an impossible job

1309
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:11,680
of going to

1310
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,040
these different agencies and saying hi

1311
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:17,359
would you please give us all of your ufo

1312
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,400
information

1313
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:20,319
and those people are saying [\h__\h] off i

1314
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:22,000
mean i'm sure that's what happened

1315
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,599
lots of times and that probably

1316
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:27,760
is responsible for at least one of the

1317
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:29,920
ig investigations that's apparently

1318
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:30,880
ongoing or

1319
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:34,000
evaluations um because

1320
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,760
again ufos it's a big problem with ufos

1321
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:39,280
and i don't think it's one that will

1322
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,400
ever a hurdle will ever uh you know be

1323
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:43,760
able to jump

1324
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,880
that's because the nature of classified

1325
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,040
projects the nature of government and

1326
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,599
military and secret programs and

1327
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:53,760
in all of this stuff that's happening

1328
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,599
that most people in the government

1329
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:57,760
aren't going to know about and certainly

1330
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,720
other the agents

1331
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:00,480
agencies working on these things aren't

1332
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,359
going to volunteer that information

1333
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,880
and even if they're forced to it's

1334
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:06,480
probably not coming out because they

1335
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:07,599
don't have to they're going to do what

1336
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:08,800
they're going to do

1337
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:11,520
um i always bring up the u2 and and you

1338
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,480
know i know

1339
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,480
ufo people don't like to hear that but

1340
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:16,319
the ufo the the u2

1341
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:19,280
project is a very important thing for

1342
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:21,040
ufo history and for

1343
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,240
for present things we're seeing right

1344
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:24,800
now to understand there was a

1345
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:27,280
very very very very very very small

1346
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:28,400
group of people

1347
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:31,920
who even knew that project existed

1348
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:34,400
not that it was in development or you

1349
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:35,920
know being researched

1350
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:38,400
when it was actually flying missions

1351
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,599
only a small group

1352
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,839
knew that it even existed and it took

1353
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,839
one crashing in russia

1354
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:45,920
for it to be revealed i mean people in

1355
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:46,880
the senate

1356
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:48,960
in these intelligence committees they

1357
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:50,000
didn't even know

1358
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,200
that the u2 was a thing so

1359
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:55,280
that stuff happens that's how military

1360
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,319
and government works

1361
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,800
and it's always going to be that way i

1362
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:00,560
mean i i'm trying not to be pessimistic

1363
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,920
i think that's realistic

1364
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,520
because we know that's how government

1365
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:05,200
works so there's going to be a lot of

1366
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,000
that

1367
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:08,640
but i applaud their effort and i do

1368
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:10,079
think it's very important

1369
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,240
if they really want to try to get to the

1370
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,640
bottom of ufos or or try to at least

1371
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,800
identify some here and there because

1372
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:18,960
that's really all you can do with ufos

1373
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:20,079
they really need to come up with a

1374
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,599
better way of sharing data and that

1375
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,359
really is the focus here and i think

1376
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:24,880
they're hopefully

1377
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,800
getting to a point where they can have a

1378
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:28,559
conversation about it and try to make

1379
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,990
baby steps yeah i like that something

1380
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:37,359
cool that's that's happened

1381
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:39,119
and i'm sure you guys have seen this but

1382
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,800
uh certainly since the release of the

1383
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:42,720
report

1384
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:45,440
wow the networks have jumped all over it

1385
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:46,079
there is

1386
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:49,200
tv ufo programming on the tv

1387
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:52,000
like nobody's business um i mean as

1388
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,760
we're recording this i think there's a

1389
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,440
three-hour special happening right now

1390
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:57,520
on discovery and other networks

1391
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:01,280
um it's crazy um it's fun i i love it

1392
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:03,440
i'm trying to watch as much as i can

1393
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:06,640
but i will will drop this little salt

1394
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,760
promo here that

1395
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:09,680
i've hinted at but haven't publicly

1396
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:10,800
acknowledged

1397
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,079
but uh this friday friday what would

1398
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,800
that be that would be july 2nd

1399
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:18,640
a new show about roswell is premiering

1400
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:20,319
and i know lots of people like to roll

1401
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:21,680
their eyes and go

1402
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:24,079
more roswell give it a rest but there is

1403
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:24,880
a new

1404
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,760
television show about roswell and i

1405
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,280
happen to be on that television show

1406
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,280
it's called roswell the final verdict

1407
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:33,440
um i certainly haven't seen the show i

1408
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:34,880
don't know how good it's going to be

1409
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:37,680
but i will say this what drew me to this

1410
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,559
project

1411
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:41,040
was something that we have talked about

1412
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:43,359
on this episode a few times

1413
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,319
and that is artificial intelligence

1414
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:48,240
that's a cool approach that this show is

1415
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:49,680
taking they're applying

1416
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:52,559
artificial intelligence to witness

1417
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,440
testimony

1418
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:55,920
related to the roswell incident you know

1419
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,720
assessing

1420
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,480
based on video footage and things like

1421
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,960
that whether or not we get an indication

1422
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:02,079
of these people being

1423
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:05,520
deceptive or truthful and so it's kind

1424
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,400
of cool

1425
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,000
and i can't wait to see the show and how

1426
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:10,319
it comes out in determining

1427
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,520
you know some of this key witness

1428
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:13,200
testimony that we've all relied on for

1429
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,480
so many years

1430
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,960
for the roswell incident to see what the

1431
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:18,240
ai technology

1432
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:19,760
indicates you know if these people were

1433
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,359
being truthful or deceptive

1434
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,760
so that should be kind of fun so yeah

1435
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,680
the first three episodes drop on

1436
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:27,119
discovery plus

1437
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,960
on friday and then i think they're

1438
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,559
rolling one episode

1439
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:32,319
every week after that and there's a

1440
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:34,240
total of six episodes

1441
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,520
so lots of familiar faces from the ufo

1442
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:39,839
community will be on that show

1443
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:41,839
i know ben hansen's on there nick pope's

1444
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:43,200
on there of course

1445
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,920
um ufo jane several people are going to

1446
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:47,839
be on that show so it should be pretty

1447
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,240
fun

1448
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:50,640
i'm i'm both terrified and excited to

1449
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:51,440
see it

1450
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,720
i've seen it i've seen it

1451
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,960
i know i know you can't spoil it ryan

1452
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,079
you can't i won't

1453
00:50:01,349 --> 00:50:00,800
i but i all i will say is it's a new

1454
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:01,359
approach

1455
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:03,520
and i thought it was really interesting

1456
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:04,720
and

1457
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:08,880
some other conclu they surprised me

1458
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:12,160
that's all i'll say um yeah it it it's

1459
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,720
well done

1460
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:14,559
i highly suggest people check it out for

1461
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:16,880
sure look i mean

1462
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,920
this group of people right here we're

1463
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:21,920
fans of roswell i mean

1464
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,400
roswell i will never be tired of roswell

1465
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,000
i'll always be a roswell fan

1466
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:29,119
you can't just brush roswell aside

1467
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:32,559
um and to that end i mean not going to

1468
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:35,599
fully detail what we're doing but this

1469
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:37,760
team right here the the rogue planeteers

1470
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:39,680
the team from rogue planets

1471
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:42,880
is going to do a little deep dive into

1472
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:43,920
roswell

1473
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:47,200
um next year in 2022 there's going to be

1474
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:47,839
a lot of

1475
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:53,680
we'll tease that more as that approaches

1476
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:54,160
but

1477
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:56,720
uh we we like roswell and and like i

1478
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:57,599
said i mean

1479
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:59,839
with this with bringing ai technology

1480
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,680
into it that's rad and we've always said

1481
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,960
with roswell

1482
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,480
there's always new things that can be

1483
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:06,400
applied new things that can be tried

1484
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:08,000
when new technology emerges

1485
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:09,680
that can be applied to these historical

1486
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:11,440
cases and i think they should be

1487
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:15,040
so yeah awesome well friends i think

1488
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:16,640
this is a good place for us to call it a

1489
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:17,280
night

1490
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:19,359
so thank you so much friends for

1491
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,319
grabbing a drink

1492
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:22,720
and chatting about ufos today and thank

1493
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:23,680
you for

1494
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:26,480
joining us for ufo happy hour we will

1495
00:51:30,580 --> 00:51:27,280
definitely

1496
00:51:34,829 --> 00:51:30,590
hopefully see you next time cheers